The original ‘Bubbler’ that I had, which was this cool waterfall type ornament it looked beautiful with a perspex front so you could see the bubbles going up inside it, collected tons of debris underneath it in the hole of despair!… I could tip it upside down every day and it would always have a bunch of dirt and bits under it… I have no clue how or why because my fish eat pellets and they eat them before they even make it to the bottom 1/3 of the tank.. so no waste from food…
Anyway needless to say I decided to switch it out, especially since I’m having trouble cycling and really don’t need the added waste coming out from under it when I’m trying to really keep on top of it.
Having oxygen bubbles for my goldfish is important to me so I just got the basic oxygen curtain strips, initially I put it along the back of the tank but it caused waaay tooo much havoc with my filtration systems taking in the air bubbles and making all kinds of noise. So rather than take it out altogether I just kept one strip on the side 😀
Helen especially loves swimming through them, of course every time I went to take a video of her she’d stop..
These pictures have filters over them, my tank is NOT this colour.. haha
First of all, you would never know that such drama ever took place. Nikki and Helen are seemingly fine as ever! Their eyes have shown no lasting effects of the terrible blindness that occurred and look absolutely perfect.
The PH level is holding nicely now, the ammonia level is under control (with daily/every other day water changes) I am currently taking out approximately 40% every water change and it’s hopefully helping keep everything under control. I wasn’t doing enough even though I thought I was doing the 20% every other day/3 days. I purchased another bucket and it makes it much less of a job to do and everything is back up and running in a flash.
I continue to use Prime, just with caution. I do believe the excess usage caused the drop in PH which then caused the terrible thick cloud to form over my goldfish’s eyes. I will continue to think that way until I have a better explanation. However thankfully I didn’t lose my sweet pair and they continue to be a joy to keep they are active and feeding well and beautifully brightly coloured.
Which I should also mention the aquarium is still crystal clear so hopefully that will remain that way now, it makes such a difference for viewing them.
Anyway, I am happy with the way things are progressing here is a picture of the PH today and the letter from Seachem follows x (On a side note, Seachem got back to me that same day, very good customer service)
Seachem Support 10**5(Seachem Laboratories)
Jan 24, 18:17 AST
Thank you for your email.
Prime, like all conditioners, is a reducing agent. It works by donating electrons to molecules within the water solution, breaking up chloramine and chlorine into nontoxic chloride ions and binding up any toxic ammonia and nitrite into nontoxic forms. A mild overdose (say, 4x the recommended amount) is relatively safe – there is usually plenty of compounds floating around in your water for Prime to harmlessly react with. In fact, we recommend this higher dose when your tank has high levels of ammonia or nitrite. A large overdose or an overdose in exceptionally soft and organics-free water on the other hand, does have the potential to lower the overall availability of oxygen, as the Prime run out of molecules to react with and starts to react with the O2 instead. Dealing with this kind of overdose is typically just a matter of adding a bubbler, turning your filter to ensure it is breaking surface tension, or carrying out a water change.
While gasping at the surface is a sign of oxygen deprivation in the tank, it is not the only sign. Fish will initially react to lower oxygen levels by simply moving around less. Once the oxygen levels begin to drop further, then they will begin to show labored breathing, rapid gill movements. Oftentimes, they will also stay close to where the water flows back into the tank as well as near areas of high water flow. Finally, they will begin to gasp for air at the surface, which by this time the oxygen levels in the tank are quite low and they are quite deprived of oxygen.
Cloudy eye is a bacterial infection that does not show up on it’s own but alongside other parasitic or bacterial infections. The clouding of the eyes can also be a sign of poor water quality. I would recommend that you also dose your tank with Stability to restore your biological filtration that may have been affected by the overdose of Prime. This will easily address one of the main contributors to cloudy eye infections.
The only time we have seen an impact on pH from using Prime was using a massive overdose of Prime in a tank already low in oxygen (much more than 5x). Even in this case, the dip in pH was temporary and returned to the usual pH within a few hours. Under most circumstances, a dip in pH will be due to other factors, as the combination of factors which will cause Prime to lower the pH are exceptionally rare.
Hope this information helps.
Seachem Support 10**5
Jan 24, 14:02 AST
Message: Hi, I was wondering if you would be able to tell me what I did to my fish by using too much Prime and answer what component did this to them in the Prime… I basically massively overdosed my tank with Prime it was me that did it not the product… However this is what happened first of all my fish became listless and resting on the bottom of the tank, no they did not gasp for air.. my tank still had an ammonia reading of .50ppm to 1ppm after I had overdosed it. Then they seemed to pep up a bit after I left it for a bit, the next day I did a water change and again put too much Prime in this time the fish remained active but their eyes clouded over in one’s case completely and it looked like they had white bobbles on their eyes… At this time I googled how their eyes can become cloudy and it said a drastic drop in PH can make this happen.. Now the only thing I had done differently was to overdose on Prime.. However I read just now that Prime does not effect PH because it is non acidic.. would that still be the case if I put almost 1/4 of a bottle into a 36 gallon tank? Or could this actually impact the PH. I say this because after I read this I immediately did a massive water change and didn’t add Prime I used a regular water conditioner it was very late and I went to bed hoping for the best… This morning I got up to clear eyed fish which led me to believe it was indeed the PH.. Or it could have been ??? in the excess Prime that caused the white thick film over their eyes… I was wondering if you could write me back what the ??? may be. I have learned a lesson and I am an idiot for using so much Prime but I just wanted to get rid of the ammonia and kept testing kept adding kept testing and I hadn’t even really kept count on how many cap fulls I ended up putting in and yes I almost killed and or blinded my fish!!! Thank you for reading Tasha
Yes, because I think I’m doing something good in actual fact I’m not a chemistry expert and have no business doing what I did and obviously it didn’t end well. Before I go on, I did rectify the situation and Nikki and Helen are both seemingly okay and back to their usual selves, clear eyes etc.
So in a nut shell since my last post of my attempt to jump start the cycle, I managed to overdose the tank somewhat considerably with Prime! Initially both fish were kind of sitting on the bottom of the tank in a bit of a daze.. no they were NOT gasping for air or anything like that and my tank was still reading about 0.5ppm of Ammonia which is why I was thinking everything was okay, because the only negative thing I could find on over dosing Prime was oxygen depletion after all ammonia is gone and they were not showing signs of this and there was still ammonia present, so I attributed it to the large water change. After about a half hour they did start swimming around again but I noticed a bit of a cloud over Nikki’s eyes and then a little later (about 15 minutes) I noticed the same on Helen, it got much worse and very quickly to the point where one of Helen’s eyes was completely white!! I had been so stupid adding all the Prime and I immediately started emptying the tank again meanwhile googling ‘cloudy eyes’. One of the main reasons given for cloudy eyes other than an infection of some kind was a big drop in PH and it said that after stabilizing the PH the fish’s eyes would return to normal, I attributed my over dose of Prime to perhaps causing a drop in the PH and thus my fish had the cloudy eye symptom, it certainly couldn’t be anything else since they had no fungal infection or anything and it had come on so quickly and suddenly since the Prime overdose. Needless to say it was after midnight and I was doing a huge water change adding just a regular aquarium conditioner to detoxify the water.
I went to bed because there was nothing more that could be done. When I woke up this morning I was honestly expecting the worst, if you could have seen how bad they were I thought for sure it would be too late for them. No I did not get pictures of their eyes I was far too upset to want to document what I had done!
I couldn’t even look at the tank and my partner told me to look at them and that they were just fine, their eyes were clear, they were rushing up to the front of the tank like puppies waiting for their breakfast like they did before I started this whole mess and even the tank itself was much clearer! Ugh.. what a hell I had created and yet they were back to their wonderful little selves!!
Initially when I set up the aquarium I tested the water for PH and it read at approx 7.4, now in all honesty I haven’t tested the PH since I didn’t see the need and assumed it stayed the same, until now I tested both tap and tank and so obviously because I haven’t tested since set-up I cannot say whether this is attributed to the Prime or it was like that prior. I still have a tap water PH of approx 7.4 but the aquarium PH is off the chart low!!!
In order to rectify the PH, I read this article. I only added 1.5 teaspoons of baking soda as some of the comments suggested the teaspoon per 5 gallons was far too much, I have a 36 gallon. I also didn’t want to shock the fish by raising it too much.
Low PH can hinder the cycle too but I have been doing regular water changes every other day, they eat all their food as soon as it hits the tank. Perhaps just a coincidence that low PH can cause the cloudy eyes, maybe it was another overdosed ingredient in the Prime that caused it and the fresh water helped clear it up. It’s too hard to say, I did do a test tube with tank water and a heavy dose of Prime and it did actually make the PH Rise considerably not lower…… it’s all very confusing and I have no answers at all. Other than I’m going to try and fix it.
I have written to Seachem with what I did, what happened and asked them to respond in some way because I googled more and found out that Seachem Prime should NOT alter the PH because it is non acidic, however under the circumstances of the overdose perhaps it would effect it. I’m hoping they can tell me why it clouded their eyes so severely and yet on the other hand I was able to rectify it and their eyes returned to normal… I am in no way saying this is a bad product when used as the label clearly says but I am writing this to have it written in case by some accident someone else ends up in a similar situation. I will update if and when I get a response from Seachem.
Here’s a picture of the fishies earlier today looking much better!
Yes it’s been awhile! I have been testing for nitrites every other day as well as keeping up with the water changes, I am still battling crazy amounts of ammonia and adding Prime water conditioner every day.
Finally last night I read a bunch of posts on various fish forums entitled…. “My tank will not cycle no matter what!” A few suggestions were to just try and ditch as much water as possible as the amount of ammonia may be hindering the cycle and no matter how many smaller water changes are done it just won’t make a difference.
I did some experimenting with the Prime and the test tubes to see how much I actually needed to make a difference and it ended up being quite a bit, now there is ammonia of sorts in our tap water so I am always battling readings even after water changes. To keep this short I dosed the tank when it was half full of water with Prime and brought that amount right down and then dosed the buckets we put in and then re-dosed the whole tank… Sounds like a lot…. it was but this was the route I wanted to take after reading through some suggestions!
Both Nikki and Helen are seemingly doing just fine, but I know it’s not an ideal situation for them to be in. I have honestly been doing water changes every other day of about 20% and adding Prime EVERY night when I get in from work.. but I think with the ammonia in the water supply on top of the ammonia they are producing without the tank being cycled the amount of Prime I’ve been adding hasn’t even touched the surface of the problem.
Now according to my research keeping up with this extra Prime should enable the cycle to well….. start?? lul
I’m aware of this, and I really can’t wait for all this beginning stage and everything it has brought to be behind us.
I am just so excited for the day I get to write my blog and say … looking back I would have done this or more likely …..absolutely wouldn’t have done that hahaha.
The day the aquarium will be back to its beautiful crystal clear self *(the second before we put the ich medication in)
When I can finally say the tank has cycled and I’m not dropping in extra Prime every day just to keep our fish from suffering.. (should have bought shares in Prime haha) Obviously after adding the medication and going through all of that we started again with our cycle.. so yes it seems like cycling is taking FOREVER but in reality it has only been about 2.5 weeks since we put the carbon back in after the bout with ich.